Posted in Uncategorized on December 16, 2013 by fiercedreams

This is a link to a recent interview with prominent anarcho-primitivist anthropologist Layla Abdel Rahim, author of recent book ‘Wild Children, Domesticated Dreams’. Layla’s work centres around domestication, the role of  education, and how they help make us functioning parts of mass society. Layla has some very strong and well-researched theory  but continues to write with her own voice, allowing her to reach beyond the confines of academia, and it comes across in this interview. The  longest response is where they ask about red anarchism, and she adds another nail to the coffin of anarcholeftism and leftism intellectualism. It’s just a pity they keep crawling out.

Layla Abdel Rahim interviewhttp://anarchistnews.org/content/interview-layla-abdelrahim-anarcho-primitivism-and-red-anarchism


Posted in Uncategorized on December 12, 2013 by fiercedreams

wild at heart final no address

This discussion night has been finalised, its on at a venue called the Hat Factory on the 20th of December, and the Fierce Dreams collective sincerely thank the people involved for organising it. They are trying hard to make it a positive and interesting event. Also they are making food and this will be available after the discussion. So you might want to have a snack beforehand.

We just wanna say one thing. If you really think that civilisation is sailing along fine, then that’s OK and you could outline why. But please have some sort of analysis and please don’t rely on your ‘sneaky’ hipflask of liquor or your ‘lemonade can’ to have the courage to express it. Please don’t show up and start talking if you’ve been drinking. The discussion goes from 7PM til about 9 or 10PM so you could always hit the bar afterward. This is not too much to ask.

Check this site before Friday if you can… if something changes we will post here.

If you need more details email us.

See you there, hopefully.

For the wild ones.

FD Collective.


Posted in Uncategorized on December 1, 2013 by fiercedreams

There is a great sounding event coming up in the Phillipines. Here are some quotes from the call-out and the details that we have so far. We support these guys and hope that it goes really well! Very exciting stuff.

February 7-9 2014 – “Another World is Possible”, Autonomous Alternative Festival.

1st day of the gathering would be: presentation of anarchist struggle in the Philippines and abroad,critique and analysis

2nd day would be: gig, poetry night, performances and film screenings.

3rd day is camping, face to face dialogues,sharing of ideas and building
networks onward.



(February, Naga City Philippines)

“The present condition of civilization must be questioned, Crisis like
Fukushima Nuclear Power Plant, Climate Change, Corporate Environmental
Destruction is not tolerable, the Advent of human and animal exploitation
of the modern scheme of progress must be questioned. Alternatives Must
Arise from us, So i am Calling all Interested Participants, Scientist,
Engineers, Autonomous Activists, Gardeners, Community Organizers,
Artists, Teachers and everyone. Lets have a dialogue, share practical ideas and
learn from each other, anyways we are all the children of the Earth.”
-Leon Guevara

For more information and additional proposal, email me:
emmagold_man@yahoo.com 0r call me @ +639056434562


Posted in Uncategorized on November 28, 2013 by fiercedreams


Some people have been interrogating us over our approach to ‘safer spaces’, and don’t seem to like what they hear in response. We have detailed already what the collective thinks in the ‘policy’ and our piece ‘Civilisation is an Unsafe Space’. We have made it crystal clear that we support survivors, and are against any form of oppression or domination, but realise there are flaws in the current processes for dealing with physical and sexual abuse in ‘radical’ communities. We contend that safer spaces policies have typically been disempowering, problematic and open to misuse. As anti-authoritarian anarchists we oppose a ‘code of conduct’ carved into granite, and don’t believe this approach will work in our desired community, based on past experience.

No one has really given us any worthwhile feedback, or been able to pinpoint precisely what it is they don’t like about what we have written so far. The conflict stems from the fact that a group of people from Melbourne wanted to control the ‘safer spaces’ processes and tried to force us to have an elite crack unit of ‘grievance collective’ experts in charge. They say we don’t have any experience in this ‘work’ and need to be educated about supporting survivors. Some of these emails to us have been merely boring and condescending. Others have been highly offensive, insulting, presumptuous and triggering for our collective. All of this is why we are now going to post this write-up, delete our ‘safer spaces’ policy, and never adhere to another one. We will detail all our reasoning for this.

There has been a wave of people, who claim to be specialists in this field, demanding that we listen to them and change our approach. The most damaging thing is that these people are so arrogant, so high and mighty, and so desperate for control, that they haven’t considered the fact that our collective may be composed of survivors, with a different approach to healing from trauma. As we keep reiterating; we identify civilisation as the basis, the source and the driving force behind abuse, hierarchy and domination of other people, that’s why we want it in ruins.

We have no desire to run around with pink armbands on telling everyone what to do, but we support survivors in our immediate circles. How on earth these people consider us part of their urban ‘anarchist community’, is beyond us. How can you establish ‘community’ of any sort with people over the internet who you have never met? This is precisely why ‘community’ has become such an overused word, and its misuse becomes a barrier to rebuilding genuine connection with likeminded individuals. We have no desire to sort any of this out online, and that’s why we haven’t given out our names to everyone who demands it. The people who have contacted us seem to be a ‘community’ of anti-oppression activists that parrot eachothers’ words and silence everyone else who disagrees. It is clear to us they want to define what is and isn’t appropriate ‘survivor support’ to maintain some sort of power in some sort of broader ‘anarchist’ scene that we don’t care about and are not a part of. The Fierce Dreams collective includes survivors of several types of assault throughout our lives. We are not going to disclose any of it because it is no one’s fucking business except our trusted friends and networks.

The most bewildering part for us is that our exchange with these people is based around emails and blog posts, which we feel are abstractions and not grounded in any real life dealings or interactions. There have been a lot of long-winded emails lecturing and patronising us. These folks were incensed that that we would not give them complete control over safer spaces processes, and a monopoly over the ‘grievance collective’, a concept we fundamentally oppose. It’s quite nauseating to have folks we don’t know tell us we don’t have enough experience and credentials to organise what was basically a camping trip, and that they know best and need to be in charge. One of the most unintentionally hilarious emails encouraged us to read the zine ‘Support’. As if we have not read that zine! This is an old publication. Yes it has some good content and insights around consent and survivor support. However, most of the stuff we have directed people toward are recent responses and critiques of the approach outlined by ‘Support’ and similar publications. For people who claim to be experts, they probably need to read some more recent material and have more context. We have linked to some zines that we think are relevant, and we believe they go a lot further in examining abusive patterns in our communities, and these articles resonate much more with our goals and desires for liberation.

The safer spaces experts have waged a political campaign against us by sharing the emails we wrote with their friends, and now we are fielding complaints about the way we have dealt with the situation. We don’t want to actually go into all the details, and break their privacy. But the point is that chastising us for our ‘incorrect’ approach to ‘safer spaces’ will not work. We do not feel a shred of guilt or shame regarding our dealings in this situation. This seems to be the intention of all these banal emails, so that we can be compliant and controllable but it won’t happen. We are not the villain because we don’t see eye to eye on this issue, and we need to stress that we tried to reason with and communicate with these people to achieve some sort of understanding. We are not deliberately fanning the flames of this conflict, just speaking our minds. We have our own struggles, which you know nothing about, and we refuse to acquiesce to the moralistic grandstanding of these anti-oppression crusaders. We have tried our best, but we feel like we can’t spend all our time on dealing with demanding people with whom we have little common ground.

The cabal of safer spaces specialists believe they are making a substantial difference in their community, and in a way they are – for the worse. We are convinced that a lot of divisiveness and drama has occurred as a result of certain peoples’ preoccupation with establishing control over every possible occurrence in every radical current. There are other well-meaning folks who simply drop out, focusing more on their own life and moving away from radical or revolutionary projects because of the constant pressure to say the right thing all the time. We hear people expressing concern all the time, behind closed doors, but we need to confront these folks because the problem seems to be snowballing. The facts are that anti-oppression politics can be a minefield for event organisers, and this is why no one wants to organise things, and so not a lot of public anarchist events happen!

We are sick of sifting through emails trying to figure out what people are going on about while they mindlessly drop buzzwords, explain their ‘resume’ in the anarchist scene and lecture us about things we already know. We need to focus on our much more important business of trashing civilisation, connecting with solid friends, creating positive and empowering experiences, and supporting eachother through this heavily mediated and alienating modern world we find ourselves in.

Without authentic community that you trust, no safe space exists. You can attempt to control people as much as you like, and do everything possible to force everybody to abide by a ‘code of conduct’, but it won’t work, and the people who need to hear it the most will ignore you. In the end our target and our enemy is civilisation and it transcends the boundaries of your infoshops, parties and radical ‘spaces’. Every time we step out or front door into mass society we are behind enemy lines. We intend to confront this threat together, while healing from and defending ourselves against the ongoing assault on our minds, bodies, and spirit.

We won’t be making any more statements on this topic, at least online. We have said plenty for the time being! We are fallible, we don’t always use the right words and this should not be the focal point. We will not waste any more time on this insidious conflict that just drags on and on, and offers us nothing of value. We are not trying to make the situation worse but we are speaking our mind. If any of them were anti-civilisation anarchists who were serious they would have turned up at Fierce Dreams and talked to us in a respectful manner about tangible things that can be done to approach a safer space for everyone. We are steadfastly refusing to engage any more on this issue over the internet, and won’t waste our energy on every condescending leftoid who contacts us.

We stand by everything we said in our posts, if you want to respectfully talk in person we are not hard to find, and we are simply doing our best to keep an anti-civ critique rolling in Australia. If you want to join in and feel as if we are on the same page that’s wonderful, and if not we don’t give a damn. We won’t accept that this issue of survivor support degenerates into another way for leftism to derail any effort toward liberation. We support all survivors of trauma, are against any form of oppression or domination, and will never accept abuse (including manipulation and coercion) in the anarchoprimitivist community we want to create.

For those in struggle, and toward rebuilding genuine community,
FD Collective.
Here are some more recent readings on survivor support but also anti-oppression politics in general. If someone actually read them then we might have a bit more to talk about, because you would know where we are coming from. We feel like we are treading over the same old ground.

Accounting for Ourselves – http://www.crimethinc.com/blog/2013/04/17/accounting-for-ourselves/

Betrayal – http://zinelibrary.info/betrayal-critical-analysis-rape-culture-anarchist-subcultures

Lines in the Sand – http://zinelibrary.info/lines-sand

The Left Hand Path of Repression – http://theanarchistlibrary.org/library/crocus-behemoth-the-left-handed-path-of-repression

Ideology of Victimisation – http://theanarchistlibrary.org/library/feral-faun-essays

Not our Vision of Liberation – http://news.infoshop.org/article.php?story=03/01/14/5609262

Fire and Ice – Laurel Luddite and Skunkly Munkly (a great book on healing from trauma).


Posted in Uncategorized on November 9, 2013 by fiercedreams

We feel it is time to set the record straight. The people involved in Fierce Dreams have noticed a tendency for some others to associate us with Derrick Jensen and the group DGR. This is quite surprising to us. We have not directed people toward their material at all, quite deliberately. Many anarchist infoshops (Black Rose most recently, but many others in Australia and overseas) have screened the movie END:CIV as if it is representational of anarchoprimitivist views. This is problematic because the movie is largely reliant on the words and ideas of Derrick Jensen. END:CIV as a film has a few decent points but in no way would we say that we support it wholeheartedly. It is highly inaccurate to screen it as if it is a statement by anti-civ anarchists, particularly in light of recent developments, which some folks in Australia seem to be unaware of.

Jensen has lost the plot. DGR is something that we want to distance ourselves from, and have no affinity with. As a group they are myopic, failing to look outside their own organisation very often, and they seem to claim to have all the answers. They routinely condemn anarchists, so why someone would think they are linked with anarchoprimitivism is strange. Make no mistake, Jensen and DGR hate anarchists, and regularly slam them. Now that he no longer requires small distros to get rid of his books, because he has captured the attention of the new age market with his crappy recent titles, Jensen has no need for non-profit anarchist distros and has severed all ties.

We have followed this closely because like many folks we enjoyed some of his early work. But the demise of Jensen and the lunacy of DGR has been going on for a while now, several years at least. Jensen presents as some kind of figurehead of anti-civ theory, but he is not. Most now recognise him as an authoritarian who refuses to acknowledge any other methods resistance to civ outside of himself and his friends. He seriously detests anarchists and primitivists (unless they can somehow advance his cause).

It’s been a long road but here are some of the main points why we are deeply suspicious of anything to do with DGR.

-openly paramilitary and hierarchical nature of DGR

-condemnation/dismissiveness of other resistance currents by DGR

-transphobia of DGR

-The bizarre protocol whereby you ‘join an organisation’ and sign a code of conduct (?!)

-DGR members have been very quick to call the police and FBI against other radicals

Look, the internet is here in front of you so if you want to do more research on these topics yourself, go ahead. Don’t take our word for it.

We consider them part of the problem, and as they slide into irrelevancy they have stopped critiquing civ, Jensen instead wants to stop ‘industrial civilisation’ but presumably continue civ in some form, he is more inclined to use terms like ‘fighting capitalism’ and promotes ‘democracy’.

We are against civilisation, and in the past Jensen has claimed to be against civilisation, but this doesn’t mean we agree with them on all counts, far from it. We feel we are being misrepresented as DGR influenced ‘activists’, or somehow aligned with their views, but we are not! This phenomenon possibly has something to do with the format of the infoshop discussion night, whereby they often show a short film if people are not acquainted with the subject matter, then go on to discuss the film. The subject of what it means to be against civilisation has not and cannot be summarised by a 40 minute film. This is something we have to live with.

The review of END:CIV in this Australian zine ‘Wolves at the Door’ we find to be very strong and lucid, and echoes many of our sentiments, and reservations (available here http://wolvesatthedoor.noblogs.org). It points out many of the problems with this particular movie. An even better critique of DGR itself is the brilliant ‘DGR: Down Graded Resistance’ by Bison Wilder on his blog ‘Earth Spirit and Anarchy’ (available here http://earthspiritandanarchy.blogspot.com.au/2011/09/down-graded-resistance-critique-of-dgr.html). As he notes, an organisation to end civilisation is ridiculous! This article goes into detail to deconstruct why DGR has deep and fundamental problems. Please read these awesome articles, they do a better job than we ever could at pointing out the the inherent illogic that lies behind DGR. Since these articles have been published, DGR unravels more and more as they become more defiant and alienate other groups anyway. Aric McBay, who wrote the best material in their flagship book, recently left DGR for crying out loud! Obviously there are some severe internal issues and problems too.

None of this means that we have a personal problem with any individuals affiliated with DGR and actually have met a couple that are nice people. DGR has members in different areas that run the chapter (as we understand it) with some degree of autonomy so of course some chapters have done some good work. Our criticisms go toward Derrick Jensen, Lierre Kieth, and DGR as an organisation.

AT the end of the day a straw man is being put up, because END:CIV is purported to be a statement of anarchoprimitism and green anarchy when it obviously isn’t. It’s just one film with huge flaws. With the irrelevancy of Jensen and the sinking ship of DGR almost totally submerged, there is no point discussing this documentary anymore. There are sharper writings, critiques, actions, and developments around the globe that have more to offer than a fairly superficial film that quite honestly failed to hit the mark even when it first came out, several years ago now. It’s going to take more readings, discussions, and an honest understanding of what anti-civilisation theory, green anarchy and primitivism are about, to take these ideas further in Australia. This is what we set out to do with Fierce Dreams. We will keep adding to our ‘recommended readings’ and make it more organised so that people know what we DO support and stand by in terms of theory.


Posted in Uncategorized on November 1, 2013 by fiercedreams

There is a page with the report backs on the side of this front page.
Click there and read away.
We are hoping for a couple more… even if they are short!
We will still be updating this blog and have a couple of short articles in the works.

FD Collective.


Posted in Uncategorized on October 29, 2013 by fiercedreams

primitivism flyer

Alright, so one person, or maybe a few people, associated with Black Rose in Sydney have taken it upon themselves to reach out and have a discussion in the city about anarchoprimitivism and anti-civilisation theory. Although they reached out to us and tried to include us no one from the Fierce Dreams collective can make it to this, it’s on Thursday 31st October, so in two days time. But anyone reading this that lives in Sydney should get down there and join in. They asked for readings that we would suggest and we said these two would kick off a good discussion, ‘Anarchy – A Short Primer’ and the ‘Green Anarchy – Back to Basics’ (links at the bottom of page). In December they are going to have another discussion night and some more of us Fierce Dreams folks will be along for that one. We appreciate this person making the effort to patch things up and recognising that a lot of folks in the Sydney area are interested in talking about these topics. It’s a really good start, and very cool to see someone taking some initiative. We hope it goes well.


‘Back to Basics – What is Green

‘Anarchy a small primer’


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